England (Internationals)

Do you all not remember 2019?

It's the same format. Round robin, semi finals, final.

Complacency and a failure to adequately replace Morgan and Stokes is what has caused this. The middle order is VERY weak since Morgan retired, we have a collection of pinch-hitting number 7s in Buttler, Livingstone, Ali, Curran, Woakes - none of whom can consistently build an innings if they're in early on.

As I have said consistently since Morgan and Stokes's retirements, they should have simply done a like-for-like swap of Malan in for Morgan and Livingstone in for Stokes. Instead, they went with an additional bowler, and it's let us down badly. In 21 ODIs since Morgan retired we have been bowled out 10 times. That is poor.

Well done Afghanistan.

RB wrote:Complacency and a failure to adequately replace Morgan and Stokes is what has caused this. The middle order is VERY weak since Morgan retired, we have a collection of pinch-hitting number 7s in Buttler, Livingstone, Ali, Curran, Woakes - none of whom can consistently build an innings if they're in early on.

As I have said consistently since Morgan and Stokes's retirements, they should have simply done a like-for-like swap of Malan in for Morgan and Livingstone in for Stokes. Instead, they went with an additional bowler, and it's let us down badly. In 21 ODIs since Morgan retired we have been bowled out 10 times. That is poor.

If only we had a know all like you in charge !

The big problem is surely the fact that all these players should have been playing One Day Cup cricket in August instead of being dressed as crisp packets and watching fireworks. Perhaps the ECB and the two dicks didn't know the World Cup was coming up? More likely they didn't give a toss because of their wokey 100. Expect England to be out of the competition on Sunday. Anyway back to my Winter sojourn.

Chinaman wrote:The big problem is surely the fact that all these players should have been playing One Day Cup cricket in August instead of being dressed as crisp packets and watching fireworks. Perhaps the ECB and the two dicks didn't know the World Cup was coming up? More likely they didn't give a toss because of their wokey 100. Expect England to be out of the competition on Sunday. Anyway back to my Winter sojourn.

I think it’s Graves and Harrison who are to blame, not Thompson and Gould.

Sam Curran left out today and Struggling of late.Player of series in the T20 World Cup success. But always thought he’s Bowling was liable to travel at times and I thought he was going to become a Top Batsman with the Bowling becoming less effective. Definitely at the crossroads with he’s Batting.I’m wondering if he needs a break from Cricket.

Buttler and Mott are to blame - no amount of 50 over cricket can prepare you for such an awful, awful, awful decision to bowl at the toss.

This is what happens when you marginalise the 50 over format as the ECB

How funny.

Buttler and Mott should resign with immediate effect. Stokes and Trescothick should be in charge against Sri Lanka.

Play a representative side.

4 hours and 6 minutes to bowl 50 overs.................and we put them in!

Has Gus played more 50-over matches for England than for Surrey now?

It could start working the other way round? If you impress for England, you are offered a game for Surrey?

Or maybe Leicestershire?

VicNorth wrote:Has Gus played more 50-over matches for England than for Surrey now?

Yes. I think it's 4-2.

Why put them in brutal bowling conditions?? No wonder the bowlers struggled, common sense tells you to bat!!

dougieginn wrote:This is what happens when you marginalise the 50 over format as the ECB

Yeah I know I'm supposed to be in winter hibernation, but this is an absolute disgrace of a performance.
You go into the WC with no preparation apart from 3 ODIs in September against NZ. The later Ireland matches none of this lot played in, as the domestic ODC. The previous ODI was against Bangladesh back in March for f***s sake.
The pundits keep comparing 50 over to 20 over and you can't. When we "won" in 2019 we'd had 4 years preparation, now we've got 4 weeks. But no one in this side looks in form, Curran and Archer have gone home and never should have gone in the first place. The bowling, Rashid aside, is crap. And they bowled first! To be honest the whole lot should go home now.
And you know the 100 wasn't the two Dicks fault, but they are in charge of the ECB now, and need to sort this bloody mess out. Even Root has stated that "we don't play enough 50 over cricket"  Talk about saying the bleeding obvious.
Afghanistan vs Netherlands final anyone?
Happy Halloween.

I've also been tempted (briefly) out of hibernation. Dear me, what a shit-show. It started with New Zealand absolutely tearing England a new one and - with most of the hard games to come - they have gone from world champions to bottom of the table. Who could have predicted that marginalising the 50-over domestic competition would result in this (anyone with half a brain!).

Reece Topley's dad is one of the biggest apologists for The Hundred, and I seem to have hit a nerve with him. Surrey posted a "get well soon" message on their facebook page (for goodness sake, the bloke has broken a finger, he isn't in intensive care!). I simply said I hoped he would recover in time for The Hundred and Topley senior called me a "knob" (keep it classy, eh Don!)

Like a lot of members, I was pretty pissed off that Reece missed the entire T20 campaign last summer and miraculously recovered in time to play in the entire Hundred, having the temerity to suggest that it would provide him with valuable preparation ahead of the 50-over World Cup.  Surrey seem to be pretty much an afterthought for some of our white-ball specialists these days.

Still, at least England's rugby team - who play regularly in the relevant format for their clubs - have been giving a good account of themselves. Ditto the nation's footballers.

Back to the winter woolies!

I have just read on the BBC that the side that played on Saturday, only Atkinson has played a domestic 50 over game since the last WC, and a huge total of 2 games. Thats shocking

Chinaman - wasnt aware that Curran has come home. I know Topley has and Archer was deemed not fit enough

Something about reaping what you sow?

One can only hope that the disaster of a performance leads to change, hopefully including the demise of the horrid hundred, fold it into the Blast.. The ECB are not going to be happy with this.

Jackers wrote:I've also been tempted (briefly) out of hibernation. Dear me, what a shit-show. It started with New Zealand absolutely tearing England a new one and - with most of the hard games to come - they have gone from world champions to bottom of the table. Who could have predicted that marginalising the 50-over domestic competition would result in this (anyone with half a brain!).

Reece Topley's dad is one of the biggest apologists for The Hundred, and I seem to have hit a nerve with him. Surrey posted a "get well soon" message on their facebook page (for goodness sake, the bloke has broken a finger, he isn't in intensive care!). I simply said I hoped he would recover in time for The Hundred and Topley senior called me a "knob" (keep it classy, eh Don!)

Like a lot of members, I was pretty pissed off that Reece missed the entire T20 campaign last summer and miraculously recovered in time to play in the entire Hundred, having the temerity to suggest that it would provide him with valuable preparation ahead of the 50-over World Cup.  Surrey seem to be pretty much an afterthought for some of our white-ball specialists these days.

Still, at least England's rugby team - who play regularly in the relevant format for their clubs - have been giving a good account of themselves. Ditto the nation's footballers.

Back to the winter woolies!

Well said (on facebook) Jackers.I see Mr Topley has deleted his comment.I've been on tour with him in the past and he's a very nice bloke but i've also had the odd disagreement with him on facebook over Topley junior and co.

Tickets for next summers test match (day 2) at the Oval at a minimum £95 for the members area

Excuse my language but fucking hell