Notts v Surrey (29th August+) Match 11 County Championship

Looks like a decent pitch for real spinners,unfortunately we don’t have one,Oh yes we do,Amir Virdi, Oh no we don’t,he’s loaned to Worcs!!! August is usually the best time to play spinners because of the worn and tired pitches around. But our Seam obsessed management are consistently going without one dispite the fact. Will they never learn??

dougieginn wrote:Looks like a decent pitch for real spinners,unfortunately we don’t have one,Oh yes we do,Amir Virdi, Oh no we don’t,he’s loaned to Worcs!!! August is usually the best time to play spinners because of the worn and tired pitches around. But our Seam obsessed management are consistently going without one dispite the fact. Will they never learn??

The real daring thing would have been to give Majid a debut, ironic that we had Rehan Ahmeds kid brother Farhan making his debut against us and a spinner we rejected is playing for England. Maybe some players just need to be thrown in.

They have set up a wicket to get a draw , very little in it for any bowler. Yes the 16 year old Ahmed did ok, but that was a 50 over stint to get 7 wickets for 140 runs, Patterson-White 45 over one wicket 139 runs. That is a slow batting track.

Two mysteries on the ground:

1. Why did the umpires award Notts' a 5-run penalty after speaking with Rory Burns?

2. Why has Jordan Clark not bowled a ball today, even if the conditions are unhelpful (as they are to all the seamers)? He is on the field, so presumably not injured...

and a third .. how come Ben Foakes has been hit twice on the helmet, each time requiring stoppages for concussion protocols, on such a dead pitch?

Did they change the ball?

Jackers wrote:Two mysteries on the ground:

1. Why did the umpires award Notts' a 5-run penalty after speaking with Rory Burns?

2. Why has Jordan Clark not bowled a ball today, even if the conditions are unhelpful (as they are to all the seamers)? He is on the field, so presumably not injured...

and a third .. how come Ben Foakes has been hit twice on the helmet, each time requiring stoppages for concussion protocols, on such a dead pitch?

Apparently a return throw came in at head height which was considered dangerous hence the penalty.

It does seem odd to me that Jordan Clark hasn't bowled, especially when we took the new ball.

This really is an awful pitch,should incur a points penalty,this is the sort of pitch that is killing red ball cricket!

That Terry McCann looks to be a player. I reckon Jackers
would be in the Winchester with Arfer and Dave!!!

I'm not aware Clarke is injured. He's been on the pitch all day. But its as dead as a doornail for the seamers and when you add the kookkabura its even worse. No idea why they came off at 5, the light was quite good enough for spinners. As for concussion colins two visits that's the protocol if you get hit on the head. Completely daft on this pitch. Jacks was ok but we badly needed a front line spinner to win this, and don't say Virdi. This is a draw unless something extraordinary happens tomorrow. Both sides will be happy with that.

The Nightwatchman wrote:I'm not aware Clarke is injured. He's been on the pitch all day. But its as dead as a doornail for the seamers and when you add the kookkabura its even worse. No idea why they came off at 5, the light was quite good enough for spinners. As for concussion colins two visits that's the protocol if you get hit on the head. Completely daft on this pitch. Jacks was ok but we badly needed a front line spinner to win this, and don't say Virdi. This is a draw unless something extraordinary happens tomorrow. Both sides will be happy with that.

Don't think surrey will be happy with Essex and Somerset favourites to win there games

Bizarre negative tactics before and throughout this match-starting from the team selection, to the pitiful effort to achieve maximum batting points, to declaring too late, batting at a snails pace in the 2nd innings and going off for bad light at 5.

Don’t we want to win the ruddy title?

John Hamilton wrote:Bizarre negative tactics before and throughout this match-starting from the team selection, to the pitiful  effort to achieve maximum batting points, to declaring too late, batting at a snails pace in the 2nd innings and going off for bad light at 5.

Don’t we want to win the ruddy title?

The Captain has no say over the decision to go off for bad light, as we saw during our last game at the Oval.
I do not believe the wicket is conducive to fast scoring.

optimistnot wrote:

John Hamilton wrote:Bizarre negative tactics before and throughout this match-starting from the team selection, to the pitiful  effort to achieve maximum batting points, to declaring too late, batting at a snails pace in the 2nd innings and going off for bad light at 5.

Don’t we want to win the ruddy title?

The Captain has no say over the decision to go off for bad light, as we saw during our last game at the Oval.
I do not believe the wicket is conducive to fast scoring.

You can't score anywhere near fast on this track. A bit of slow turn for the spinners, nothing at all for the seamers. Not sure who else we could have picked, Ealham maybe for Steele who was pants. But Burns needs to mix it up a bit, a bit of Patel or even Sibleys occasional leg spin. I understand Sud bowles a bit of leg spin as well.Something different. But really unless you've got a top front line spinner you won't get a result on this. Weather has been great, but a bit iffy today.

This was a pitch to ensure that Notts got the draw, and it has pretty much got the job done.

One of my pet hates is the pavlovian response to blame the pitch whenever we don't bowl sides out.

It's the home team's prerogative to prepare pitches that will suit their team. With their seam department decimated by injury, England call-ups and paternity leave (Paterson), Notts would have been barmy to have produced a wicket with any hint of help for the quicker bowlers.

What they did produce was a slow turner - not a Bunsen, but one on which a proper spinner would capitalise with a Kookaburra ball. Their 16 year old kid and Will Jacks did pretty well on it. Imagine what someone like Jack Leach or (albeit rather out of form) Simon Harmer might have done. It's in games like this when our policy of not having specialist spinners available comes back to bite us on the bum. It underlines just why we are recruiting the Bangladeshi bloke for Taunton. Nothing wrong with the pitch - we just haven't got the ammo we need to get 20 wickets quickly or cheaply enough

Keith Powell wrote:

The Nightwatchman wrote:I'm not aware Clarke is injured. He's been on the pitch all day. But its as dead as a doornail for the seamers and when you add the kookkabura its even worse. No idea why they came off at 5, the light was quite good enough for spinners. As for concussion colins two visits that's the protocol if you get hit on the head. Completely daft on this pitch. Jacks was ok but we badly needed a front line spinner to win this, and don't say Virdi. This is a draw unless something extraordinary happens tomorrow. Both sides will be happy with that.

Don't think surrey will be happy with Essex and Somerset favourites to win there games

Very likely to face similar conditions at Taunton & Chelmsford.The Durham match likely to be pivotal for us.

Jhe10077 wrote:

Keith Powell wrote:

The Nightwatchman wrote:I'm not aware Clarke is injured. He's been on the pitch all day. But its as dead as a doornail for the seamers and when you add the kookkabura its even worse. No idea why they came off at 5, the light was quite good enough for spinners. As for concussion colins two visits that's the protocol if you get hit on the head. Completely daft on this pitch. Jacks was ok but we badly needed a front line spinner to win this, and don't say Virdi. This is a draw unless something extraordinary happens tomorrow. Both sides will be happy with that.

Don't think surrey will be happy with Essex and Somerset favourites to win there games

Very likely to face similar conditions at Taunton & Chelmsford.The Durham match  likely to be  pivotal for us.

I wonder if Essex and Somerset have some unwanted Hosepipes we can borrow.

Can’t see anything other than a draw today tbh

Alex! wrote:Can’t see anything other than a draw today tbh

Yeah. A win for us looks nigh on impossible as we won't have enough time to bowl Notts out a second time. Just need to make sure we don't cave in our second dig and give them a chance of victory.

All in all, disappointing from a Surrey perspective.

Jedrich wrote:

Jackers wrote:

Why did the umpires award Notts' a 5-run penalty after speaking with Rory Burns?

Apparently a return throw came in at head height which was considered dangerous hence the penalty.

From Cricinfo:

Play was soured in the afternoon, however, when Jacks, selected in both England's white-ball squads for their games against Australia in September, smartly fielded a pull on the bounce at short mid-wicket and threw the ball hard and high towards the wicketkeeper causing McCann to take evasive action.

Umpires James Middlebrook and Paul Pollard immediately summoned Surrey skipper, Rory Burns, and applied five penalty runs under Law 42.3.1 for "throwing the ball at a player in an inappropriate or dangerous manner". The matter will also now be referred to Surrey for any further disciplinary action they deem condign.

So what are today’s tactics? Force a result (which we don’t really need to do) or have a glorified net and get the draw?

Really poor performance in this match….we now seem to have settled for a draw.

VauxhallRey wrote:This was a pitch to ensure that Notts got the draw, and it has pretty much got the job done.

I think the points for a draw are to generous and reward team for producing roads like this. If you prepare pitches like this for all your home matches,you can probably prevent gather enough point to stay in the 1st Division of the CC. So why bother to go for a result??

Foakes run out….laughable

It's a shame they increased the draw points to 8 this season. I would award just 4 points for a draw, except when the equivalent of a day or more's play has been lost to weather/light in which case I'd award 8 to each side to compensate for the lack of opportunity to win the game or even necessarily accumulate bonus points.

Why did Ben Foakes drop his bat half way? He might have made it if he'd been able to lunge.