Overseas for 2024

A bit of Warner would spice things up!

Chinaman wrote:A bit of Warner would spice things up!

...and the Aussie board wouldn't be able to recall him, because he's retired!

He will be in the Aussie squad for the World T20 wont he and then probably playing in the American T20 tournament. Dont think he will be available but worth a go.

Steve wrote:He will be in the Aussie squad for the World T20 wont he and then probably playing in the American T20 tournament.  Dont think he will be available but worth a go.

Thought he'd retired from all Internationals, so non starter then.

Not for me.

Peter.M.Gardens wrote:If you look at our squad, on paper we have an excellent batting unit, improved by Dan Lawrences signing, but the reality is we had some nightmare first innings collapses last summer, how many times did we creep past 250 on the back of runs from Overton, Lawes or Abbott, our opening match v Lancs our number 7 Cameron Steel scored 141 coming in at 164-5.

IMO we need a top class batting signing.

He might be a marmite/Vegimite love/hate figure but I see that David Warner just missed out of the Hundred draft today, could he come in, and not being involved in the Hundred actually play in the MetroBank 50 Over comp for Surrey? If he signed in June post IPL, he could come as Roachs contract was ending and be available in September for both the Vitality later stages and Metro Bank final.

Even if David Warner were to be available, it's perhaps worth remembering a mantra of Alec Stewart: ''We don't just want good players, we want good people.''

I'll leave others to judge where that would leave Warner.

Isn't there a 'big' T10 competition in Scotland in August?

VicNorth wrote:Isn't there a  'big' T10 competition in Scotland in August?

Yes, unfortunately.
I can't wait for the "Wokey 5" mixed league.

No new material?

Which bit do people object to the most about Warner - sandpapergate or punching Joe Root for wearing a green & gold wig?

The only reason to sign David Warner would be if he was available for the majority of the season, but as he isn't available it's immaterial what his perceived good/badness/level of wokeness etc etc... is

Deciding on overseas players must be nightmarish as you have to calculate the availability of each of our players during the season to see what you need. That and the likely variable weather conditions (i.e. spring to summer to autumn) and which of the three competitions we are playing in at the time come into it.
We do know the players who will be missing for the IPL and/or the Hundred (though there could still be additions for the latter). We know that the one day matches are for Surrey truly a development competition so no overseas players wanted. We also know that some of our players really only play white ball cricket. Add in an educated guess about international call ups and you are getting somewhere near the information you need to assess what type of overseas players you need and when. You negotiate with a player, agree terms, then the Aussies change their mind and say "no way".

I hope we go for an overseas batsman to replace Hardie. If Pope and Foakes arent allowed to play many CC games and with Jacks in the IPL we look a bit short on quality batsman.

offdrive4 wrote:Deciding on overseas players must be nightmarish as you have to calculate the availability of each of our players during the season to see what you need.  That and the likely variable weather conditions (i.e. spring to summer to autumn) and which of the three competitions we are playing in at the time come into it.  
We do know the players who will be missing for the IPL and/or the Hundred (though there could still be additions for the latter).  We know that the one day matches are for Surrey truly a development competition so no overseas players wanted. We also know that some of our players really only play white ball cricket.  Add in an educated guess about international call ups and you are getting somewhere near the information you need to assess what type of overseas players you need and when.   You negotiate with a player, agree terms, then the Aussies change their mind and say "no way".

It does make you wonder if the Aussies might throw a leftfield selection in selecting Hardie in their World Cup squad, over Sean Abbott. I think most would rather see the former missing rather than the latter for Surrey.

The sheer number of Aussie and Kiwi players in first half of the County season (playing county cricket) does show there are a lot of players available. (neither nation has any test matches during our domestic season)

It would be bloody nice coming up against Lancashire (Nathan Lyon) to have a top quality overseas batsman. The thing is neither Hardie or Abbott were ever going to be available for our first 4 county matches so we knew we'd be an overseas player down for April, so hopefully we have long term plans laid already.

Tom Latham would appear to be a good overseas Selection if available.

Jhe10077 wrote:Tom Latham would appear to be a good overseas  Selection if available.

He's not in IPL and not in NZ world cup squad, but is still good enough to play both red and white ball cricket. Seems a no brainer. But who knows there's probably a T10 tournament popped up in Abu Dhabi that pays £100,000 a match in April and May.

Do we really need more batsmen right now? We are incredibly well stocked even with players out at the IPL. On that note, I'd quite like to see Geddes get an opportunity or two more

I do wonder if we don't bother with a 2nd overseas for the start of the season; it's too short notice and Stewie

Not to have two overseas players when Lancashire have two A-listers and Essex have Harmer and Elgar locked in for the whole season would be gross negligence. The illusion of being well stocked with quality soon collides with the reality of injuries, call-ups, unexpected events ("personal reasons" etc). The debate isn't whether we get another overseas, but what we most need: batsman/all-rounder (or possibly, from June, a wicket-keeper to allow Jamie Smith to focus on batting); red-ball specialist or multi-format player, etc....

Jackers wrote:Not to have two overseas players when Lancashire have two A-listers and Essex have Harmer and Elgar locked in for the whole season would be gross negligence. The illusion of being well stocked with quality soon collides with the reality of injuries, call-ups, unexpected events ("personal reasons" etc). The debate isn't whether we get another overseas, but what we most need: batsman/all-rounder (or possibly, from June, a wicket-keeper to allow Jamie Smith to focus on batting); red-ball specialist or multi-format player, etc....

I think Tom Latham ticks every box - experienced, a wicket keeper, a left handed batsman, can play white and red ball cricket. Obviously played here last summer. Was hoping we were waiting on announcing his signing till after the Aus v NZ Test series, but that has been and gone. He's not playing in IPL and outside of New Zealands current one day squad.

Maybe we do see the development of Geddes and Patel as more important, but WTF don't we use them more, if Geddes can captain our Metro Bank side and is thought of highly, why when last season were we so short in T20 (Sam Curran was batting at 3, Narine 4) did we not give him some T20 games?

Hopefully (like Yorkshire have with Brook) we have had some assurances that we will have our international batsman available at the start of the season.

Call ups for what, exactly? At this point England don't play any white ball cricket until the end of May, and none of our squad who aren't at the IPL are going to be involved with that. They'll have planned for this first block meticuously and who will play and when when it comes to the bowlers - you'll probably see Worrall, Roach, Clark play most of the games and have Overton managed with Lawes being the one to come in and out.

I'm all for overseas players if we need them, but when we have so much quality it seems pointless getting one for the sake of it; just because others do doesn't mean we have to.

Alex! wrote:Call ups for what, exactly? At this point England don't play any white ball cricket until the end of May, and none of our squad who aren't at the IPL are going to be involved with that. They'll have planned for this first block meticuously and who will play and when when it comes to the bowlers - you'll probably see Worrall, Roach, Clark play most of the games and have Overton managed with Lawes being the one to come in and out.

I'm all for overseas players if we need them, but when we have so much quality it seems pointless getting one for the sake of it; just because others do doesn't mean we have to.

I agree entirely. Forget this endless talk on overseas for the first half of the season. If we haven't got them tough, use our own which we should do anyway. It's not as if Harmer and even Lyon are going to have wickets to suit them this side of June. I bet we don't even play a spinner, and just use everybody's favourite leggie! You all know who.

I suppose it’ all the down to Alec and Gareths opinion regarding the ability of Geddes & Patel to retain a place in the Team

For what it's worth, Pope, Foakes, Lawrence and Atkinson were all at the marquee yesterday - you'd hope that's an indication of early availability

Lyons stint at Lancashire cut in half BBC story

Looks like he'll be available for our away county (our opening) fixture but not the return match at the Oval in August