Re: Overseas for 2024

by dougieginn Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:55 am

Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:Virdi won't play because Batty will not pick him for the 1st 11. Steele will always be in front, at least he can bat and field.

Happy New Year folks!
Yes but the important thing is can he bowl???

Average (37 Ist Class wickets), but he has more strings to his bow than Virdi. If we go for a five pace attack again (and I can't see why not), Roach, Clarke, Worral, Lawes, Overton/Atkinson we will not use either of them. Lawrence (20 1st Class wickets)can develop his off breaks and maybe Sibley his once useful leg spin again.

I think you’re clutching at straws there, with both Lawrence and Steele, who are “also bowled” not a genuine spinners. Why try to manufacture a real spinner when you have one already.Can you think of any of the above taking 14 wickets in a match as Virdi has done ??

by Jhe10077 Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:10 am

With the green tops served up at the Kia hardly the need for a front spinner.Maybe on our Travels The host May go the Hampshire route and prepare a turning wicket to blunt our formidable pace attack.

by Chinaman Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:48 pm

[quote="dougieginn"]

Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:Virdi won't play because Batty will not pick him for the 1st 11. Steele will always be in front, at least he can bat and field.

Happy New Year folks!
Yes but the important thing is can he bowl???

Average (37 Ist Class wickets), but he has more strings to his bow than Virdi. If we go for a five pace attack again (and I can't see why not), Roach, Clarke, Worral, Lawes, Overton/Atkinson we will not use either of them. Lawrence (20 1st Class wickets)can develop his off breaks and maybe Sibley his once useful leg spin again.

I think you’re clutching at straws there, with both Lawrence and Steele, who are “also bowled” not a genuine spinners. Why try to manufacture a real spinner when you have one already.

"Can you think of any of the above taking 14 wickets in a match as Virdi has done ??"

No they probably won't. But to my knowledge Virdi has only done it once on a raging turner at Notts. And his form has been pretty poor in recent seasons to boot. Steele actually improved his bowling somewhat last season. But my point is that we need a top quality overseas spinner, a difficult one I know, But in my view more important than another batsman . But with the lack of spinning wickets, and half the CC played before the end of May, well you'd have to argue the need for a spinner at all.

by dougieginn Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:58 pm

Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:Virdi won't play because Batty will not pick him for the 1st 11. Steele will always be in front, at least he can bat and field.

Happy New Year folks!
Yes but the important thing is can he bowl???

Average (37 Ist Class wickets), but he has more strings to his bow than Virdi. If we go for a five pace attack again (and I can't see why not), Roach, Clarke, Worral, Lawes, Overton/Atkinson we will not use either of them. Lawrence (20 1st Class wickets)can develop his off breaks and maybe Sibley his once useful leg spin again.

I think you’re clutching at straws there, with both Lawrence and Steele, who are “also bowled” not a genuine spinners. Why try to manufacture a real spinner when you have one already.

"Can you think of any of the above taking 14 wickets in a match as Virdi has done ??"

No they probably won't. But to my knowledge Virdi has only done it once on a raging turner at Notts. And his form has been pretty poor in recent seasons to boot. Steele actually improved his bowling somewhat last season. But my point is that we need a top quality overseas spinner, a difficult one I know, But in my view more important than another batsman . But with the lack of spinning wickets, and half the CC played before the end of May, well you'd have to argue the need for a spinner at all.

He has taken 132 wickets and five times taken a fifer. Hardly an also bowled.taken nearly 100 more career wickets than Steel in a lot fewer matches!!

by Chinaman Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:31 am

dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:
dougieginn wrote:
Chinaman wrote:Virdi won't play because Batty will not pick him for the 1st 11. Steele will always be in front, at least he can bat and field.

Happy New Year folks!
Yes but the important thing is can he bowl???

Average (37 Ist Class wickets), but he has more strings to his bow than Virdi. If we go for a five pace attack again (and I can't see why not), Roach, Clarke, Worral, Lawes, Overton/Atkinson we will not use either of them. Lawrence (20 1st Class wickets)can develop his off breaks and maybe Sibley his once useful leg spin again.[/quote

I think you’re clutching at straws there, with both Lawrence and Steele, who are “also bowled” not a genuine spinners. Why try to manufacture a real spinner when you have one already.

"Can you think of any of the above taking 14 wickets in a match as Virdi has done ??"

No they probably won't. But to my knowledge Virdi has only done it once on a raging turner at Notts. And his form has been pretty poor in recent seasons to boot. Steele actually improved his bowling somewhat last season. But my point is that we need a top quality overseas spinner, a difficult one I know, But in my view more important than another batsman . But with the lack of spinning wickets, and half the CC played before the end of May, well you'd have to argue the need for a spinner at all.

He has taken 132 wickets and five times taken a fifer. Hardly an also bowled.taken nearly 100 more career wickets than Steel in a lot fewer matches!!

Yes, but I can't recall when he last took a fifer, even for the seconds. But it still goes back to the fact if he can't take wickets he offers nothing to the side. And we rarely get spin friendly wickets.

by dougieginn Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:55 am

Don’t think you look at the 2s results too often,Chinaman,he’s taken at least 2 fifers this season!! How much more effective would he have been in the Hants match on a turner than our totwo part timers,Steel and Jacks. A team that produces such a turning pitch has a very good chance of beating our seamers on such a wicket as their specialist spinner demonstrated.. Poor selection by the management in that game and we paid the price. All successful teams in the past have had such a spinner!!

by offdrive4 Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:14 am

I have read that we may bring in Aaron Hardie, born in Bournemouth but playing in Australia. Medium pace bowler and middle order bat. His figures certainly stack up though I don't know anything else about him. I would imagine he would be a contender for international cricket when the ageing current side moves on. I assume he would be an overseas player, but maybe could do a Worrall.

Anyone know any more?

by Jhe10077 Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:30 am

I think a Batter. All Rounder not a mainline bowler like Abbott.

by Peter.M.Gardens Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:53 pm

offdrive4 wrote:I have read that we may bring in Aaron Hardie, born in Bournemouth but playing in Australia. Medium pace bowler and middle order bat. His figures certainly stack up though I don't know anything else about him. I would imagine he would be a contender for international cricket when the ageing current side moves on. I assume he would be an overseas player, but maybe could do a Worrall.

Anyone know any more?

Jhe10077 wrote:I think a Batter. All Rounder not a mainline bowler like Abbott.

Hardie is batting number 3 for Perth Scorchers in Big Bash atm, (with Laurie Evans batting down the order at 5 or 6) only bowled 2 overs in last 4x T20s he's played. Did bowl 4 Overs in last T20 for Australia against Bangladesh, batting at number 4 (a weakened Aussie side post World Cup). he bats number 5 for Western Australia in Sheffield Shield and is first change bowler for them.

It doesn't look like he's signed up to play IPL and very much on fringes of Aussie T20 squad, so he could be a decent signing if available for whole season to play both red and white ball.

Signed up for Surrey in 2022 - just the 1 County Championship appearance - scored 46 and 40*, bowling 1/66 and 1/19.
Hardie scores winning runs on Championship debut

Hardie captained Perth Scorchers in Big Bash - 3rd Jan - Overton, Evans and Hardie all in action

by Badges Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:01 pm

Sean Abbott was top of our batting averages in the CC for large chunks of last season and second only to Pope for a period.Not to mention his T20 century.

by Badges Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:03 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Hardie back.If only to put right the ludicrous scenario of him walking off with a CC winning medal for playing 1 game.

by VicNorth Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:21 pm

We'd take Sean Abbott again, wouldn't we?

by Steve Wed Jan 03, 2024 8:25 pm

Abbott will be IPL then World T20 for the first half of the season so hopefully get him for the 2nd half. Hardie for the first half maybe. I wonder if Roach will play the first 7/8 CC games or maybe Stewie might go for someone else.

by RB Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:38 am

Stewie said we can only have three registered at any one time and the plan in recent years is one CC specialist (Roach), one T20 specialist (Narine), and one who can do both (Abbott).

West Indies play England this summer so I can imagine a few people getting grumpy if we get Roach again, although I would be happy to have him. Hardie would be a decent signing. But trying to find a T20 player during the World T20 will be tough.

by VicNorth Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:13 pm

Isn't it four now?

by VicNorth Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:16 pm

Yes, changed to four in 2023.

by Peter.M.Gardens Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:27 pm

Badges wrote:Sean Abbott was top of our batting averages in the CC for large chunks of last season and second only to Pope for a period.Not to mention his T20 century.

RB wrote:Stewie said we can only have three registered at any one time and the plan in recent years is one CC specialist (Roach), one T20 specialist (Narine), and one who can do both (Abbott).

West Indies play England this summer so I can imagine a few people getting grumpy if we get Roach again, although I would be happy to have him. Hardie would be a decent signing. But trying to find a T20 player during the World T20 will be tough.

Abbott is playing IPL and then T20 World Cup so would miss 9 County Championship matches and 10 Vitality T20 matches (all April, May and June Surrey games)

Abbot would then only be available for the last 5 Vitality group Games + SF/Final and 5 County Matches.

Roach is available for first 5 County Championship matches before West Indies series starts.

Hardie would fit the bill to play red and white ball.

Narine, T Curran and Roy are all signed up to American Cricket League (starts 4th July) so not available for Finals of T20 Vitality so IMO re-signing Narine would be a total waste of time if he can't play in final yet again, like last season.

by Benmug Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:59 pm

Seen 2/3 saying Abbott is playing IPL but he went unsold in the auction?!

by Peter.M.Gardens Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:08 pm

Benmug wrote:Seen 2/3 saying Abbott is playing IPL but he went unsold in the auction?!

If he's missing the IPL the he'd be available for those County matches then, and be then avaliable for the T20 matches Narine would be missing, so maybe Abbott + Narine selections = one full season of an Overseas player?

England v Australia series of T20/ODIs in September - so Abbott would be unavailable for last 3 County Championship matches

Possibly bring back Roach like last season, for first 5 and last 3 County Championship matches?

Imagine opening the season like last year with Abbott and Roach in our attack.

by Jhe10077 Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:56 pm

Didn’t Narine blot he’s copybook last season.What about the SA T20 Batter who plays for the Invincibles looks a good player.

by Peter.M.Gardens Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:01 pm

Jhe10077 wrote:Didn’t Narine blot he’s copybook last season.What about the SA T20 Batter who plays for the Invincibles looks a good player.

Heinrich Klaasen - one day specialist so playing in IPL (Sunrisers Hyderabad) March to May, likely T20 World Cup for South Africa - June, American Cricket League (Seattle Orcas) - July, then presumably the Hundred in August.

He's the bloke who hit that 6 that sailed over the Galadari stand and it nearly went over the flats behind.

by RB Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:02 pm

That would be the the One Day specialist Klaasen with 4 Test appearances, most recent of which was this year just gone?

by Peter.M.Gardens Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:14 pm

RB wrote:That would be the the One Day specialist Klaasen with 4 Test appearances, most recent of which was this year just gone?

32 year old with 4 Test appearances - yes.

Not playing in the current test series with India.

Playing alongside Reece Topley for Durban Super Giants in the SA20 at the minute.

by Jhe10077 Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:04 pm

He (Klaasen)looks a one day Cricketer. I wouldn’t mind Latham back for the CC but he’s form in international cricket has Nosedived recently.

by VicNorth Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:23 pm

Reece Topley's fit to play for the Durban Super Giants? No way!

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